kid regal

I believe there are some weapons that are better for competitive matches like clan matches. I don't think that there should be any grenade launchers in games like these. Here is a list of all weapons I think could potentially be in a clan match:

Falcon
P9P
Jackal
CMP
KSI-74
RCP-90
DW-P5
UGL
Armor
Shockwave

Any other weapon is just stupid and takes no skill...unless I forgot some but any weapon that causes some sort of explosion other than the UGL which is used to set a trap and considered tactical. I think the lap-top gun is stupid cuz it causes so much damage and can do it all the way across the map which is retarded. Maybe this forum could overall come up with a weapon set that best suits clan matches and requires the most skill to use. Some clans on this forum believe that skillful weapons are not competitive (wtf) and that the FAC-16 should be used.

II Ex0rc1st II

No Grenade Launcher? They take the most skill in the game o_o

Yeah that was a joke :P But I would personally take the Shockwave out just because It isnt really competitive and I dont think anyone is going to really use it for its primary function, but MAYBE it's secondary.

Brutal Irken

Why so much hate towards the Fac and its nade launcher.I can understand the hate towards the Superdragon but I don't get why people complain about the grenades.The way I look at it is like this I played alot of Halo 1 and 2 and you start out with nades in every game (except on Backwash never did understand that either).So how is this that much different? If anything it is easier to escape death from these nades with the reload times and they are really not that powerful.It takes a little skill in making a well placed grenade shot and it takes some skill to evade them.Personally I like the Fac-16 and wouldn't want to replace it with anything else.This is just my opinion though and there are alot of other weapons to choose from so why not try and play with them all evrey once in a while.

GoatLove 3000

By the time it takes to reload after launching the first grenade you will get shot in the face! Fac-16 isnt cheap at all.

Standard weapon set is always good.

YourMaster

One nade takes a lot of health, and the reload time is pretty short. So even if you kill that person you have almost no health after ONE nade. Plus you move so slow it's impossible to dogde a nade unless you get lucky. There is no way you can convince me that the fac-16 takes skill. Sometimes groups fire nades at your spawn point at you or your spawn point which is gay. I really think cobalt weapons selection takes the most skill. Also halo nades don't explode on impact.

edit: Also most of the time the hold game is a nade fight.Fac-16 is fun to use sometimes, but I don't think it should be used in tournies.

Brutal Irken

I'm not trying to convince anyone that it's the best and should always be in any setup.But I think that it is not a cheap gun at all.The grenades on it are not nearly as cheap as the nades on Halo 1 or 2.I mean think about it you cannot bounce the nades around corners or into someones hiding spot they don't stick to you and cause and instant death,you can't lob one into someones path and have tham step near it to set it off,you have to be somewhat accurate with the Fac grenades.I am not saying it didn't take skill to use the nades in Halo but I'm not going to say it doesn't take a little skill to use (and evade)the grenades in this game either.I do like some of the other weapons in your list and I'm not opposed to switching it up now and then.

II Ex0rc1st II

Cheap? No. Annoying? Yes. Its annoying to have a grenade shot at you every second of the game :P But The SuperDragon is 10x worse.

TheAssassin419

FAC grenades don't take a lot of health...If you start a fight off with it its 50 health, 25% shock damage (75% if you get your health back) and 50% armor. Nearly every power weapon in the game does more individually than the FACs grenade does.

Plus the thing the FAC does is forces players to move the reticule along the y axis and not the x one all of the time. IT might not take skill to fire a grenade, but winning a 2 on 1 with a FAC in your hands is a near impossibility.

I don't feel that replacing the FAC with an even more powerful gun like the RCP will fix anything.

Sputter

For games with teamspawn on the Fac should defiantely be removed. On randomspawn games where there is only one Fac and you have to go and get it i think thats ok. Even if you wanted to leave the Cmp in you could always just switch the Fac with the DW and it would eliminate the grenades and still have the same headshot capabilities.

Falcon
P9P
Ksi 74
DW P5
Jackal
Armor

or

falcon
P9P
Ksi 74
Cmp 150
DW P5
Armor

Bakes

I hate the ugl, should never be in a game.