P Pierce34

Do you not understand that PDZ will have the exact same community playing it that Halo 2 does now once more 360s are available? Do you think people won't cheat at PDZ? Do you think Rare will be as committed to fighting and banning the cheaters as Bungie is? If you think it is dumbed down then you must be one of those newbies because I own people at Halo 1 and 2 all the time. If you don't want to play the occasional cheater then I suggest Halo 1 on Xbox Connect, but there will definately be plenty of cheaters playing PDZ and my guess is that it will get way more out of hand because Rare won't know what to do when it starts becoming a problem. I own noobies at PDZ all the time as well, but I can't say it takes much skill because all you have to do to get headshots is not move your right thumb stick up or down ever because when you spawn it is perfectly centered on every enemy's head. In other words you are wrong about everything you just said, son.

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OMG HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! LMAO!!!! Thats halarious. Seriously do you think bungie relly cares that much? If they did they would have worked longer than 10 months to make it harder to cheat. Action Replay is sold everywere and the people at game shark made cheats for it easy. Standby was fixed by Rare oon Conker Reloaded after the first day, they made it outoswitch host if there is a connection problem. Did bungie EVER fix standby? no, I still get standbyed every time i play, They just made it harder. Also Modding? I get modded all the time too, and I personally modded after the update for a while and i am still not banned. I have modded content all over my xbox and i still play. They give out 2 month free cards and people just use those if they get banned anyway. There were never any action replay cheats on Conker, nor bridging. I know bridgers that play all the time, and theyre all lvl 50 yet theyre not banned. So can you relly say they work hard? If they had worked harder before the game relese maybe the game wouldent have been soo fucked up when it released. Halo 3 was started a few months ago and if they relese it by when they say then once again it wont be worked on hard enough before relese. Halo 1 took 3 years and PDZ took 7 years, there are soo many less problems because there is more time for beta testing.

P Pierce34

It remains to be seen if Rare will do anything once the cheating starts, although I don't see why anyone would cheat at a game when it is so hard to find your rank anyway. As far as I know you can only look at players ranks in the pregame lobby if you click on their name, go to pregame stats and press right on the d pad like 6 times. Rank is the kind of information that should be prominently displayed, you shouldn't have to go digging through menus to see it and I still don't know if you can look at your rank when you aren't in a pregame lobby. If you get standbied every time you play than you should check the disc in your 360 because it's not Halo 2. I would say I get standbied about once every 60 games I play which for me shows that Bungie's fix worked. By the way Halo 2 has a waaaaaaaaay bigger community than that Conker game and with that many more people playing online it is a lot harder to fix cheating problems than you think. So like I said we'll see how Rare handles the huge influx of players and cheaters when the 360 becomes widely available. I don't think they will consistently have as many people playing their game online for over a year though, like Bungie has. You can't do anything about modding except ban modders and that is what Bungie does slowly but surely. Like I said more people play Halo 2 online than any other multiplayer game ever in existence and they do their best to keep it fair. If the amount of people that play Conker online was the same as the amount of people that play Halo 2 online Bungie could easily handle cheating but they have an unprecidented number of players playing their game online at any given time of day/night. Also Bungie has made it very clear that they have absolutely nothing to do with the 2 month Xbox Live trials. That has to do with Xbox Live and Xbox Live alone so get your facts straight before you start throwing blame around. PDZ also uses Xbox Live so it wouldn't surprise me to see some kind of trial released with 360 games in the near future. You just blatantly admitted that you are a modder so how in the world can you complain about modders??? You are one, do us all a favor and stop playing online. What is your definition of working hard against cheating? Bungie still bans players every day. I don't know how else to say this, the Halo 2 community's enormous size makes it semm like they don't ban people because it becomes a very slow process on such a large scale. Where do you get your information from? Bungie has been working on Halo 3 since Halo 2 was still in production, and in defense of Rare (something I rarely do) they haven't been working on PDZ for 7 years so I can cut them a break on their multiplayer shortcomings (no party system, no voice proximity, no clan support, poor matchmaking, poor team selection in ranked games.) Do yourself a favor and stop replying because you are wrong about absolutely everything!

Z-mighty

Bungie did a pretty damn good job with their online. Only thing that was really wrong with it was things they could not control, like people boosting.

D4rk 4ng31

Blah blah blah...you same the same thing in every post and it's all BS. You say that you only get stand-by'd in only 1 out of 60 ganmes, well that's bullshit. Did you happen to check the leaderboards before they did away with them? O yeah, all cheaters...

How about the fact that Bugnie gave the #1 rumble pit player a very nice prize package, and he was a booster...hmmm...

So please tell me again that Halo 2 has the best online play yet...because I will laugh in your face. The clan system is very poor, the party system in that game is half retarded, proximity chat was only good in Splinter Cell, poor matchmaking...what, cause it's fair?

Halo 2's matchmaking was a joke, plain and simple. And yes, Rare does protect their games very well...a lot better than Bungie.

Everything you are saying is opinion, which is worthless to me. And while I give you some of my opinions myself, I also give you fact.

P Pierce34

Ok why don't you back up what you said about things you say being facts. Where are your sources???????????????????? Everything we say in here is opinion. Don't tell me about your "facts" until you list a source that I can check out. Stop making a fool out of yourself and stay out of our arguement. Example is ignorant enough without you trying to back him up by saying your opinion is a fact and not having sources. No one here is talking about facts we're arguing our own points of view. Don't come in here with that weak crap thinking you sound cool when you are actually making a fool out of yourself. So Bungie gave out a prize, and that makes them a bad developer? Um...ok. Clan system is poor? At least it exists, name a game with a better clan system please. Party system is half retarded? Why? Come on back up what you say with all your facts! You don't like proximity chat, thats fine its a personal preference. You think it is fair to play most games with 2 skilled players against 11 less skilled players? I don't. The way to make ranked matchmaking games fair is to first and foremost have even numbers of players on each team, then worry about rank. How does Rare protect their games better. I never said I have facts, I give my point of view. You come in here saying you have facts, but in reality you niether have facts or back up your opinion. Come on man.

l Example l

Ignorance is bliss, and heres my source http://www.bartleby.com/59/3/ignoranceisb.html Also owhen this argument becomes a flame war i wouldent expect to ever be able to sign in again.

Helljumper

-grumbles- Example I hate that you made me read this all..Anyway, I can not close this thread, it has nothing bad in it. Example, keep me updated on this. If a flame war starts tell me ASAP.

P Pierce34

I'm done. I will no longer mention Halo 2 or Bungie on this forum. I'll just read the threads and answer a question about PDZ if I can. It's been a fun arguement though Example, but it's time to let it die. For the record I never said anything that would warrant a ban, it was just an arguement between two points of view.

Dr Vess

P pierce, I'm with you- I don't think you we're smack talking PDZ at all, in fact you had some constructive criticism of how tou would like the positives of the H2 multiplayer system carried over- and heck so would I. I mean if some of these goons don't have any friends to play with- then they don't need a party system. And if your friends were any good and played with you on a regular basis, then you would know that the clan system works very well.

But just b/c H2 has clans doesn't mean that those who don't like it have to use it.......which is what p pierce and I are saying..... Rare at least give us the option of playing that way..... i mean really- only two options 1 killcount or 2 darkops

sounds like some ones creativity is dwindling......

but enough said-

My fav thing about PDZ- online CO-op that is awesome.....now if only they could increase the # of players that could do it up to 4 ( i know that messes with the story line and all- but it would still be freakin awesome)