UnMediK8d

1st- I believe life begins, it BEGINS, at the moment of conception. True, it cannot survive on its own without the mother and it may not be conscious of its existence yet, but saying it is not life is untrue.

Does anyone here believe a tree is conscious of its existence, does a tree have a brain, does a tree think, so if we say that as long as somethng is unaware of its existence then it is alright to terminate that existence because it never knew it was alive. So if it doesnt know it is alive then it isn't alive? That makes no sense. There are many things on this earth that do not have conscious thought, but without them the world would cease to be.

Another example: Bacteria, bacteria do not have conscious thought, nor will they ever develop into a being that is capable of conscious thought,but they are still alive. Bacteria are just clusters of cells without emotion, bacteria don't feel, they don't love, they don't hate, but without them life would not exist.

2nd- Pro-Choice
I would have to say that I am against Pro-Choice. I do believe that a woman has the right to decide what she does with HER body, but creating this baby was not just HER decision, what about the father. That unborn child is half his, and all this bullshit about, " Well Im carrying it so I can do what I want to with it." isn't right. All I am saying is BOTH of the parents decided have that baby, so the mother should not have all the say-so in the future of that child.

3rd- This is on the topic of someone who is not mature enough or not financially stable enough to support a child.
First of all, If you dont want a baby, then DONT HAVE SEX. Now, I know that there are many contraceptives out there but they dont always work. People who are not mature enough or not able to care for the child need not participate in the act that could create a child. Abstinence works 100% of the time all the time in preventing an unwanted pregnancy in today's youth.

4th- Infertile Families
I believe abortion is wrong in this way as well. If a person does not want a baby because they are not capable of taking care of that child, why simply kill it? There are thousands upon thousands of infertile families that would love to have a little baby, but can't have one. If you can't take care of it, give it to someone that can. Don't use abortion as a convienece.

5th- Rape
This is a sensitive subject, but it needs to be addressed. Many believe that if a woman is raped that she should be allowed to abort the child. I believe that is the only reason a child should be aborted, some may say that I have contridicted myself, but the child was concieved in an unnatural fashion. I also believe that rapists should be castrated, so they cannot commit the crime again (But thats off topic).

Many after reading this may think that my decisions are biased and that they will be the same as Hammers because he is my father. True, many of them may be because that is the way he raised me, but we do not agree on everything.
I hope that some may agree with my thoughts I know all will not, but this is what I believe and I am sorry if this has offended anyone.

SubNoiZe

abstinence teaching in schools will not work, is NOT working now, nor will it ever work. sex is everywhere -- news, tv, movies, books, magazine -- our hormones control our sexual desires and impulses, especially when we are younger. so, just NOT having sex will not cut it. sex ed should be taught openly in schools. sex one of the greatest feelings on earth, and is psychologically and physiologically additive. there is a great market for sex and all its goodies. by teaching and educating people when they are younger on sexual and its drawbacks would cut down on the number of abortions overall. just simply saying dont have sex will NOT work. i am sorry.

<3 jackal!

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I Snix I

Thing that sucks about debates, people always get angry and throw in intelligent insults at one another, and always try to change someones opinion, but thats not the point of a debate, you're suppose to express your own opinions, to inform the others not demand they listen and agree with you

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TuNice™

That being said, yes there are alot of "rags to riches" stories that u hear about. But those are only a few. But how many of them dont become successful. How many of them end up living on the streets, or turning to drugs, stealing, murdering. I would say that in this case the bad out weighs the good. And that if the parents are even considering putting their child up for adoption the might as well not have the child at all.

Dont take this too seriously but. Do u buy new clothes just do give it away to charity.

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FIF3

I realize many of you are saying a fetus does not have life because it is attached to a host, and that it's just a cluster of cells... well really when you think about it, that can lead to many arguments.

For instance, I believe life is inside of every organism on this (and maybe other) planet(s). Saying a cluster of cells is not "living" is insane, they are cells, cells are organisms, organisms are what make "life". What do you think a cluster of cells are? Name something on our body that is not made from "clusters of cells", I bet you can't. Saying cells have no life is like saying everything in which contain cells have no life.

Like I said before, not everyone agrees on a specific definition for "life", we all define life differently.

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WAN73D

Angel, I think Hammer may have come off as more of a prick than he wanted to. I don't think he really meant to say that you're a bad person or unfit to be a father or even that you don't value life. I think he was trying to point out the differences in where he's coming from and where you're coming from. Hammer's had at least one child, you haven't had any. That little fact is bound to change your perception of children or the possibility of children. Basically, even if you both agreed on whether or not abortion is right, you would both have different perceptions of the matter.

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UnMediK8d

I agree that sex ed should be taught in school so that all children will be aware of what sex is? and how a baby is made? The only thing is the parents of those children. Some people don't like other people telling their children about sex and think that they are the only ones that should explain the "birds and the bees" to their children. If sex ed was to be taught in school, what grade would you begin teaching it at? Girls are getting pregnant younger and younger these days. Abstinence is the only, truly, 100% works all the time method of preventing teenage pregnancy therefore preventing abortions. I know that not all will practice abstinence, but do you think only teaching them about sex will stop them doing it. We have to do more or the problem is going to get worse.

SubNoiZe

we could always do it the borat method:

insert borat voice

hello. my name is mr. edwards. i like you, i like sex. it niiiiiice. we make sexy time, yes?

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Hitzel

Yes, alot of things are considered life. The destruction of a conscience, thinking, feeling life form is what we refer to as killing.

Proper abortion isn't killing, it's preventing said "killable" life before it forms. Depending on the situation, there are times when a baby should not happen. That's why some people choose to prevent a baby from happening if pregnancy wasn't intended.

As for adoptions...

Just because someone adopts a child doesn't mean they are good parents. There are alot of bad parents out there. I personally wouldn't feel right about gambling a child's life. I'm sure that mothers feel that way even more.

That doesn't even take into account the fact that orphanages aren't substitutes for a family. You have no individual love, personal care, and parental bond that you would having a real family. People who say "put them up for adoption!" don't seem to understand how sensitive a child is while being raised. My girlfriend's mom died when she was little, and her dad spends most of his life in jail. Most of her brothers and sisters are depressed because they didn't have parents growing up.

And that will be 100 times worse if abortions are banned and orphanages swell with children who should not have been born.

I guess my support for abortion comes from that; If a child cannot be raised properly, it should not be born. Preventing a fucked up life from happening is the most important aspect, in my eyes, to this whole issue.

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ZafierX

At my school we are taught about everything sex in 5th grade.

Angel how could u never want a kid? Yes Im saying u are a totally deranged human being not wanting a child. Its completely natural. Only recently did we find ways to have sex without having children. Before, if u loved some one, you would fuck and make babies.

As for abortion. I think its totally wrong. I think the problems with this issue are else where. Some people argue that if u get raped you should be able to have an abortion because its a constant reminder of the horror and you would dispise that child. Well, I think that you should be able to have abortions under special curcumstances such as this one, but we should really work to make rape non existant. You think in the olden days there was rape? NOPE! Now we have all these fuckin weirdos. Something has to be done. You cant just kill ur baby because u forgot to wear a condom. Its called responsibility.

BTW Im not having sex until marriage.

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